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That was worth waiting for!
I found a missal from 1959 in my office and I’m ready to go. I do promise to go to an indult Mass (or 3). How do you handle that with your kids? Would you recommend trying to take 4 and two year old children?
Thanks for the insight Tom!
Comment by Amy — September 19, 2005 @Amy,
No one knows your children better than yourself. How do they behave when they attend Mass? There are some things, in actuality, that recommend themselves better for children in the Traditional Mass over the New Mass.
The short answer is, “smells and bells”. Kids so love stimulation at this age, and if the Mass is held in a nice environment, they can be held entranced for nearly all of it. If the Mass is sung, that would also be a help. Chant can hold a kid’s attention.
You may want to call ahead and ask the priest (or layperson in charge of Mass questions) if the Mass will be sung, is there a cry room if necessary, etc. We have a six year old and a four year old that attend Mass with us. The older one has been good for around three years. The younger one is just starting to get the hang of it.
Taking them to the New Mass is actually worse. There is generally such a buzz and chatter at most of the Masses here it’s near impossible to expect them to be silent and reverent.
Comment by Der Tommissar — September 19, 2005 @“Did somebody excommunicate Msgr. Gamber, or is he still considered a respected liturgical historian?”
I believe our current Supreme Pontiff referred to the late Msgr. Gamber as, “the only scholar, facing an army of pseudoliturgists, whose thought truly springs from the heart of the liturgy of the Church.”
It should be noted though that the good Domestic Prelate was more of a Reform of the Reform or disillusioned reformer (ala Fr. Bouyer) than what we would call a Traditionalist. Which, when you think about it, makes his arguments against the Novus Ordo even more poignant…
Comment by GFvonB — September 20, 2005 @[DT: *Puts finger to nose*]
Tom,
Expect changes, and soon. During the month of October, the Vatican will host a General Synod of Bishops. The Instrumentum Laboris for the synod indicates a strong desire by the Episcopate to redirect the priest to face the altar, not the table, to re-introduce Latin (though how isn’t mentioned), and to replace profane and popular music with chants.
I examined the working document a few months ago here: http://www.billhennessy.com/?p=806
You can read the document here:
Comment by Bill Hennessy — September 20, 2005 @Also, Pope Benedict has written in favor of all three of these. The good Dom Daniel Oppenheimer of Canons Regular of the New Jerusalem reminded us Sunday to pray that the Pope implements his idea of the proper Mass–the Tridentine Mass with vernacular epistle and Gospel.
I wonder if the I.L. is a sign of an unsuspected, long-repressed (-suppressed?) love of Catholic Tradition amongst the Hierarchy, an attempt to suck up to the new Pope, or both…
Comment by GFvonB — September 20, 2005 @Interesting
Comment by Fr. Liam Foley — September 20, 2005 @A few points as a priest. I and many other young priests have been frustrated with working with pastors, DREs and others who organise/co-ordinate liturgy (or worship as some call it) on parish and diocese level. Many have been drawn to celebrate the older Roman Rite. Many have. Others insist that the Rite was in need of reform and the newer Rite, properly celebrated according to the rubrics with worthy vestments and vessels in curches of beauty is better. What all are in agreement over is the way that it is currently celebrated is in need of reform. One of the problems that we encounter is that many people, wether they are liberal or conservative are legalistic. Let me illustrate.
A friend of mine who is something of a liturgist (he knows the liturgy rather than folk music and dance)was harping on for years how we should not concencrate the Precious Blood in a decanter (or whatever they called it) because of the danger of spilling it. People fought him tooth and nail. However as soon as Rome decreed and our diocese promulgated Redemptionis Sacramentum people were all ready to institute the decree, gushing over how great it was. You see people were unwilling to move or accept what a lone voice in the wilderness was crying until someone with “authority” had to say. We respect authority, yes, but not blindly. As to wether people should receive the Precious Blood on a regular basis of course in the older Rite this was unheard of and for most countries apart from the US it is still unheard of this is why Rome cant understand why it is a problem here. There are many other things that I could write but I will leave it at that. I have to add though I was interested in Calvin’s argument. Not what he had to say but his technique. His way of arguing by making a statement and objections with answers is the same as Aquinas’ Summa. Anyway lets see what people have to say …
Pope to Promote Tridentine Mass
How timely was Tom’s blog on the Latin Mass?
I just received this holy news from Karl Keating’s newsletter:
Last Thursday Catholic World News transmitted this story, filed out of Dublin, regarding what might happen to what is commonly…
Trackback by Hennessy's View — September 20, 2005 @Love the bells! We have them, and we don’t even do Latin in our parish. They are a great help with kids, though, because they are a signal to the grownup to remind the child, “Jesus is HERE!” My three-year-old looks forward to, and expects, the bell-ringing.
Comment by Barb Szyszkiewicz, sfo — September 20, 2005 @Tom, you always lose me on your religious posts…
But…while on the subject of sinning…
Isn’t it written somewhere that it’s a sin to be stupid?
It should be. ;)
Comment by Wench — September 20, 2005 @:-P
Comment by Beth — September 21, 2005 @Haha, I read it when you weren’t looking! ;-)
Comment by Beth — September 21, 2005 @(These just take me a little longer to process!)
Missed this post until today. I always said I was slow.
Glad you wrote it.
Comment by Captoe — November 11, 2005 @